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I think if anything they should drop all the steem currencies and use
bitshares if anything… there’s really no need for the 3 steem coins when
there’s no actual legitimate advertising revenue… I think the site itself
can be useful tho if they use BTC as the local currency or bitshares worst
case..
Chase That Coin that would never happen, the scammer would no the
millionaire in that model
At first I thought the 3 coins would hold but it obvious from the peg
changing and changes to steem power that the currency system has big
problems
Chase That Coin the reason Steemit fell was because short sighted people
started saying things like this must be a scam, because it’s not like
Bitcoin. However there are 3 stages new ideas must go through before it’s
accepted as truth.This unfortunately is one.
BTC is already POS, most of the general public stake their BTC into large
mining pools owned by big business. The difference in steem early investors
get the most benefit , This is same with BTC when I bought at $60-80 dollar
price range we all made huge profit, It called being a early adopter.. Then
we all bought again for round when price dropped to $200… Basic trading
buy low sell high…..
Hahaha, I believe the above about as much as I believe in Flat Earth and
the planet being 6,000 years old. (And yes I have debated both of these
issues in the past as well).
Well Tone I do believe that the earth is 6000 years old, but I wouldn’t
trust a random brunette on the internets for my crypto advice.
Nick sem Heyy lol I am neutral on this, I do my own research before
investing time or money , but I’m curious …what do you have against
brunettes??
Satoshi worth today would be 900million – 1 billion dollars from estimates
I have seen, it is all relative. steemit dev is worth 20 million and it is
open… the point is really how much satoshi is worth how many wallet’s
does he have…. It is all business of hoarding you stash, the biggest one
wins..
When satoshi dumps his coins, they will become .13 cents each too but you
can keep on waiting for that day despite many opportunities at 200,300 and
1000 per BTC
Excellent analysis and summary, @Tone Vays. Anyone who has any doubts can
listen to this and should be able to make up their mind according to the
key arguments presented. The statement that Proof of Stake is no different
from the fiat inflation system, is critical. If someone does not grasp this
insight, well, then they choose to participate in the scam.
Chairman Venzen what ? Steemit is a news, blog site? Proof of stake and
decentralization is inherit in Pos. Instead of having thousands of
computers wasting energy, you have thousand of users putting up a stake of
coins. If you try and steal, hack, double spend, you lose your stake if
others disagree with your ledger. This is an oversimplified explanation of
pos. Tone see everything through a BTC pair of glasses. Which has merit if
your trying to be BTC.
@Piranha, if one analyzes the value transaction – who gets what
goods/service in exchange for what – then PoS is no different from what any
central bank and their satellites do. The central bank "creates
value" by conjuring currency and hands it off to shareholder banks who
have a mandate to issue credit to parties approved by the clique's
self-made rules and policies. In this case the banks also have proof of
stake.
Arguably, value (a blog site and self-issued cowrie shells) and economic
activity (blogging and self-promotion) are generated, but the losers are
new entrant steemit holders whose tokens’ value is inflated for all
perpetuity. New entrants are not beneficiaries to the original
disbursement, and their purchase only enriches the in-group few. Therein
lies the scam.
This is neither decentralized nor does it make economic sense. At no point
do I get the impression that Tone Vays is trying to exact some vendetta
against Steemit or its central planning authority. Instead he's just
pointing out the economic pretzel logic.
Thank You Ven, and like i said on the video, Dan Larimer will never get any
respect from me cause this is his 3rd or 4th scam…. Vitalik (who has not
even gone to PoS and is on his 1st scam) gets a lot less scrutiny from me.
Tone, I still don’t see the scam you keep talking about. I see the
hypothetical one sided logic you’re using to make claims. Your implying
nothing centralized could ever work. You’re also implying this is serial
premeditated fraud. I’m pretty intelligent, just because a business owner,
entrepreneur didn’t knock it out of the park with each venture, doesn’t
mean someone is a scammer. By your definition every financial system in the
world that doesn’t live up to the Bitcoin model is a scam. I’m not here to
debate that, I’m just pointing it out. As a person who tries to help and
repesect others. I can sympathize with your efforts, however there is your
opinion and there’s reality. I think if I were you and I’m not. I think i
would add the disclamier these are my opinions. Like I said before trying
to explain to a judge how centralized banking is a scam might not work for
ya when slandering someone’s reputation.
Well there are differences, there is no debt, loans, or the perpetual 10 to
1 lending out of thin air by the banks. The inflation rate of Steemit is
now capped in the last fork. It’s a known value, not an infinite one. How
is this any different from the United State printing its own currency
without central banks. Which is what we should be doing. Being centralized
can work if its done correctly for the right reasons. The new model of
Steemit is 10% capped inflation that tapers off to zero over time. I think
there will never be more than 240-250 mill coins ever. It’s already at 230
mil+-. 90% of that inflation is paid out to the users providing value to
Steemit by blogging and curating.
tone vays tight
Tone made some good points however, his points are made through his own
colored bitcoin glasses. I feel he’s looking at one or two aspect’s much
like a person who only has a hammer see’s everything as a nail, right or
wrong. Steemit is transparent, they aren’t forcing anyone to buy or use it.
The founders in-charge Dan and Ned aren’t going around scamming people?
That’s a pretty big charge, I think Tone should be concerned with liable,
slander suit. His words have real meaning and this” I heard this from
someone before my time” doesn’t cut it in court.
It should be noted Steemit didn’t have an ICO to acquire funds to start and
run. Steemit has real business expenses, employees, bandwith, server’s,
rent and new development cost. Steemit is growing and so are these
expenses. Who do you think is funding all of this? Dan and Ned !Yeah, the
scammers with their scam tokens. Unlike some crypto’s Steemit isn’t ran on
other people’s computers.
Further sign up is free and they give you some these tokens to start off.
Steemit is filling a huge need in society by giving anyone a voice to
post/blog about anything and not be censored using blockchain tech. The
biggest being news! I see this as being one of the biggest value and growth
proposition. Today’s mainstream media is controlled fake, propaganda.
Steemit seeks to give a voice to real journalism and whistleblowers and the
like. Further, it’s seeking with its own Steem currency to create a living
wage for these journalist, bloggers, and poster for doing. So they aren’t
controlled by special interest. These are just some of the basic ideas of
Steemit that if you’re short-sighted, might miss.
I would also like to mention Reddit who has something like 200 million
users is centralized and has been caught censoring big time. The CEO just
closed down a whole Reddit group discussing Pizza gate?!
On Steemit that couldn’t happen. I would also like to repeat /point out
that Reddit is centralized and has 200 million users. You think Steemit
could do a better job ? Steemit is quickly growing and is taking users from
Reddit. Steemit is social media that just happens to also have a currency.
See the difference?
Does Tone like or own anything other than BTC?
https://steemit.com/@piranhax/transfers
I purchased all mine go ahead and look. Nothing to hide! I just don’t think
there’s a bigger conspriacy at play. Sometimes the truth is the truth.
Piranha that’s unfortunate that you through away perfectly good bitcoins as
the price about to hit ATH
I own plenty of BTC, ETH, Steem ? Well can anyone truly own plenty of BTC,
theres always room for more 🙂 I dabble in FCT as well. I think BTC will
continue to probably 1 mill over the next 10 years. I ‘ve owned BTC since
before the first ATH.
Piranha so that means you should know a lot about the space… there is a
difference between profiting from trading the alts vs the need for having
the alt for that project (Steem/Ether/etc). one day I hope to see you come
around to my positions that the alts are scams, but yes there is lots of
money to be made there of you trade them right.
I suck as a trader, I try to buy and hold. There will be winners and losers.
I’d be selling ether if I was a holder.
tone “the shitcoin flusher” vays . i find ur shitcoin busting very
educational. good work
Bitcoin Addict do you own due diligence. The is just one mans opinion. He’s
clearly only focused on the crypto currency aspect as it relates to BTC.
That’s what’s important to him and doesn’t going into the full aspect of
Steemit as a successful business model. I might add ever changing. The
founders listen and make corrections. That’s what you do when you have a
business not a basic crypto currency.
correct i should be doing my own research, but at the same time theres too
many coins, i only study the high volume coins. in crypto a coin has to
prove itself to me first before i study it. so far i just see pump and
dumps and extracting btc out of the fanboys, on a routine. when i see a
more efficient revenue stream, ill call it legit and support steemit. i
admire and respect u guys fighting for this coin and trying to make it
work. for that ill stay neutral .i will give it a chance if it breaks thr,
so keep fighting with conviction,a coin is only as good as its
community.peace
1 cpu, 1 vote? Satoshi has never been wrong.
So you’re saying anything that is not bitcoin is a scam because bitcoin is
the first crypto token with the most work on it. Cool.
If that is your interpretation of what i’m saying than i’m ok with that. If
you are not able to comprehend my explanation of this is the case, this it
is also ok. You will find out in a few years the hard way (if you invest in
these scam alternatives)
So you’re saying invest in bitcoin and you’re instantly not losing money?
Enlighten me as to what your definition of a scam is. If the blockchain is
not dissapearing from the internet, then how are the people losing? I mean
even onecoin has surpassed the point where it can collapse, due to being on
an actual blockchain. Go shill onecoin, it has way more users than steemit.
UBG I have been shilling OneCoin relative to Steem, it’s a way better
investment then Steemit. Bitcoin might also be a scam, I dot advise anyone
to buy it unless they need it for survival. Otherwise they are a dumb
speculator like me when it comes to bitcoin
And a dumb speculator like me when it comes to steem. Bitcoin is
benefitting by the exsistance of steem. It’s not a bad thing that it
exsists.
Who cares about steem. Bitcoin is the only thing that really matters.
The video series would be wonderful. I’d love to know about the scam coins.
Main problem I see is Vays saying the other guy is scamming people could be
libelous
Zamasu Black I hope so, would be hilarious for me to stand in front of a
judge saying how they are a scam & printing monopoly money they sell
people… Marco Santori can send me this letter any time 🙂
Copypasta
Defamatory Statements
One essential element in any defamation action is that the defendant
published something defamatory about the plaintiff. A communication may be
considered defamatory “if it tends so to harm the reputation of another as
to lower him in the estimation of the community or to deter third persons
from associating with him,” according to the American Restatement of Torts
(or “The Restatement”).
Examples of defamatory statements are virtually limitless and may include
any of the following:
A communication that suggests the plaintiff was involved in a serious crime
involving moral turpitude or a felony
A communication that exposes a plaintiff to ridicule
A communication that reflects negatively on the plaintiff’s character,
morality, or integrity
A communication that impairs the plaintiff’s financial well-being
A communication that suggests that the plaintiff suffers from a physical or
mental defect that would cause others to refrain from associating with the
plaintiff
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Even if the guy is a scammer it’s not like people who knew they were didn’t
sue just to bankrupt the person saying it. In the UK it’s a common tactic.
Zamasu Black that’s ok, I’m already broke…I was late to Bitcoin and never
participated in the Steemit or Ethereum scams, they can sue me for all I’m
worth and it will be less than what their lawyer will charge them to bring
it to trial :). But they will never do that cause it will expose their scam
in an actual court of law.